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GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: One of the sort of complicated and controversial aspects about diplomacy and money is that we are often in the rather unattractive position of trying to buy our friends. They have nuclear weapons. I don’t know how secure they are. They’re route to Afghanistan. They certainly have been lousy (INAUDIBLE). I’m not — I’m not suggesting I’m a big fan.
But one of the things that we have traditionally tried to do is at least use the money as a way to the extent we can to manipulate them to stop doing horrible things like terrorism. So where do you fall in that discussion?
SEN. RAND PAUL, R-KY.: I think just practically, it doesn’t work. We’ve been trying to buy dictators throughout the world for the last 50, 60 years. We paid Mubarak $60 billion over time. What did he do? He and his family stole it. And we did it with Mobutu in Congo. We did the same with Mugabe in Rhodesia and Zimbabwe. So I don’t think it really works.
And these people steal from their people, and even from a humanitarian perspective, it doesn’t get to the people. Their leaders steal it immediately once it gets there.
But in this case, it’s really just insulting to the American people to send it to the Pakistani regime which is threatening Christians with execution, threatening this man with 33 years in prison.
My question to President Obama’s administration is, where’s the $50 million ransom you promised? We promised under George Bush and President Obama, I believe it was $50 million for any information leading to the arrest or capture of bin Laden.
This doctor helped us, and now we’re letting him languish in jail and giving money to the government that is holding him in prison.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is — you know, a lot of people, I assume, are helping us around the world in our war on terror and to get these people. Obviously, bin Laden was the one we really wanted to get more than anybody else. But I think a lot of people think we hung this guy out to dry.
I’m sort of curious, are there any sort of efforts internally being done so that we don’t do that to others who are likewise helping us? Because if this man, if we did hang him out to dry and he’s now sitting in prison, languishing, I wonder, you know, are we not being — are we not being smart and preventing it from happening in the future?
PAUL: Well, I don’t think we’re strong enough. I think we negotiate from a position of weakness. I think right now, Pakistan would release him tomorrow if we threatened not to give them the $1 billion in foreign aid we’re going to give them.
Now, we did reduce it, but at the same time, I think they would understand a position of strength. I think if we had a president who tomorrow said, You don’t get one penny of U.S. taxpayer money unless you release this gentleman, unless you start treating Christians with compassion, unless you start talking about having religious freedom in your country.